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Subject: Playstation Phone “Zeus” has been revealed
A video has surfaced on YouTube which shows the new Playstation Phone now called the Zeus. Rumors had surfaced that the phone would be announced on December 9th but with this leak the rumors have now been made fact. The phone is called the Sony Ericsson ZEUS (Playstation Phone). The demo video shows the phone running Android 2.3 codename Gingerbread. The video also shows the phone with the standard Playstation buttons along with a touch pad in the center. The controller for the phone is placed normally where a physical keyboard would be. The phone looks pretty nice and might be fun to play with, we will have to see if we can get our hands on one of these.

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my take on this:

i think this is a terrible idea. (please note: it's successful or failure has little to do with it being a good or bad idea, just look at the "pet rock," horrible idea, great success.)  i dont like cellphone games.  i dont like tiny controls.  i dont like this idea.

my guess is that they are going for the download only "app store" distribution system to crush the used games market (which they dont profit from).  that didnt fly with the PSP whatever variant and this one is exactly the same (even looks the same) except it's also a phone.

note: this is speculative
  • it's going to have horrific battery life when playing games because it uses a tiny battery which has shit for capacity.
  • the games will be shitty because of a lack of cpu/gpu processing power, lack of storage space and bandwidth restrictions.

there are two ways they could get actually bypass the processing vs battery life issue
  • they use an ARM variant that has a GPU or GPU abilities that's fast which would most likely come from Marvell(it's what they do).
  • the phone's processor is ARM but when in game mode it merely does hypervisor stuff and there are a secondary MIPS processor and graphics processor.

why MIPS? it's been sony's pattern to go with MIPS (PSX, PSP, PS2) because... they like it?  MIPS CPUs are used in some cellphones but with heavy processing, it is going to eat the cellphone's battery alive.  one thing is for sure, it will be a RISC based CPU as they have never used anything else and frankly it's easier for developers to work with assembly language programming if you use RISC, which is why it was invented in the first place.  ARM is RISC, so who knows, maybe they thought this through (fat chance!).

i have no doubt that it wont be faster than the PSP, so i dont see developers all jumping ship for this.

in the event that i'm wrong in a major way, i'll be sure to wave to the four horsemen for you.
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I saw this news earlier today, and it's not unexpected.  We've been expecting a PSPhone for a while now.  This looks a lot like a PSPgo with phone features.  It's interesting.

I think you're wrong on a number of counts:

1. the controller...  It's better than any other phone, which is a huge plus.  It seems to be the same as the PSPgo pad, which is full sized with a reduced press distance.  The best way to solve the problem, I'd say.

2. The iphone has great battery life.  I mean, considering its size etc.  This should be at least as good.

3. The iphone has more power than the first XBox, so this should easily match a PS2.  A portable PS2 is moon technology, it's unbelievably good.  And you're complaining?

The download-only thing is not a dealbreaker for phones.  That's how they all work, it won't make a lick of difference for Sony's users.  Apple makes a shit ton of cash on downloads, the model works.  And, if they price it properly (more like Apple than Nintendo) we'll get a system that is made for proper portable gaming and works as a phone as well. This could be the game changer.

But.

It's a Sony product.

It'll take two hours to set up when you remove it from the box.  Games will all be ten bucks, will be rehashes of older Playstation releases, will require a firmware upgrade with every new purchase, and it'll brick itself every time you or anyone you know so much as sneezes.

So, it could be great, but Sony will prevent it.  The only wildcard is Ericsson.  Most people i know had a Sony Ericsson phone before going iphone.  It has a good reputation for solid, user-friendly products.  This could go our way.   But I doubt it.
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Quote by NFG:
I think you're wrong on a number of counts:

1. the controller...  It's better than any other phone, which is a huge plus.  It seems to be the same as the PSPgo pad, which is full sized with a reduced press distance.  The best way to solve the problem, I'd say.

i'm sure it's fantastic for a phone but THAT DOESNT MATTER IF IT STILL SUCKS.  you just got capped, bro. :P


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2. The iphone has great battery life.  I mean, considering its size etc.  This should be at least as good.

the iphone also runs on an ARM CPU.  as i stated, the sony uses MIPS for everything, so if they switch to ARM, then great.  i thought about it and concluded that a possible reason they use MIPS is because they have a license to the technology and are well versed in designing MIPS CPUs.  the iphone uses the highest end LiPo battery which is part of the reason you are raped for money.  you and i may have very different definitions of good battery life.  with it's high quality of battery, the iphone shouldnt need to be charged for a few weeks, yet that's not the case.  i'm certain it would just murder typical NiMH batteries.


3. The iphone has more power than the first XBox, so this should easily match a PS2.

the iphone's CPU is faster but the xbox's GPU is faster.  GPUs are what counts when it comes to games.  if the phone design is similar to the PSP, it's going to have a MIPS variant with the FPU and GPU additions on the same die but not integrated.  custom stuff can be power efficient but more likely than not, it will be inefficient.


A portable PS2 is moon technology, it's unbelievably good.  And you're complaining?

wtf are you talking about?


The download-only thing is not a dealbreaker for phones.  That's how they all work, it won't make a lick of difference for Sony's users.  Apple makes a shit ton of cash on downloads, the model works.  And, if they price it properly (more like Apple than Nintendo) we'll get a system that is made for proper portable gaming and works as a phone as well. This could be the game changer.

if you are thinking it's just a phone that happens to have gaming aspect, then fine. however, i was thinking of it as gaming system that has phone capabilities.  the iphone has cheap games with the quality to match which is why the download only aspect isnt a big deal, you are only loosing a few buck.  though, you arent going to be playing an FPS on that thing without having to use a super clumsy interface, so they dont even try.  if you just want to play "super golf 2011!" then i'm sure it's great.  if sony is trying to do that, then i want no part of it.
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So what you're saying, basically, is that this product aimed at a demographic you don't belong to isn't something you want to buy?

I'm shocked.  Shocked, I say!
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