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Subject: Michael Atkinson: Thick as they come.
Everyone's astonishingly thick Attorney General, Michael Atkinson of South Australia, is more afraid of gamers than bike gangs.

Geez, there's nothing I can add that would make him seem like more of an idiot.
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Hey Michael Atkinson: You're a crook!  And an idiot, and a petty little man, woefully out of touch with the people you watch over.

According to Techdirt, Mr. Atkinson just happened to pass the anti-anonymity law and used it to go after a commenter on a news site (who used his real name anyway).  Mr. Sensitive Attorney General demanded twenty grand and an apology from AdelaideNow (who should be held harmless from the actions of their users, in any rational state).

And now I fully expect I'll be dragged to court too.

Quote by ABC's 'Media Watch' show:
The state's chief law officer is prepared to threaten an ordinary citizen with ruin for posting rude remarks on the net, even when they were taken down within a couple of hours.

Screw you, Atkinson.  The abuse comes with the job.  You can't legislate niceness, so take it like a man or give up your post.

Geez, why do I have to explain this?
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Subject: China justifies censorship using Australia's example.
This should make every Australian proud.  China is now pointing to Australia's crack-addled censorship plans as justification for their own.

The EFA has the details.
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Australia has been placed on a list of countries who are enemies of the internet by an organization I have the utmost respect for:  Reporters without Borders.

Quote by "RSF":
The “Enemies of the Internet” list drawn up again this year by Reporters Without Borders presents the worst violators of freedom of expression on the Net: Saudi Arabia, Burma, China, North Korea, Cuba, Egypt, Iran, Uzbekistan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, and Vietnam.

The RSF has a slightly less damning list for countries they've placed 'under surveillance', and here's where Australia finds itself in fine company indeed:

Australia, because of the upcoming implementation of a highly developed Internet filtering system.
South Korea, where draconian laws are creating too many specific restrictions on Web users by challenging their anonymity and promoting selfcensorship.
Russia, where [the internet's] independence is being jeopardized by blogger arrests and prosecutions, as well as by blockings of so-called 'extremist' websites.
Turkey, Bloggers and netizens who express themselves freely on such topics (Ataturk, the army, minorities, national dignity) may well face judicial reprisals.
Thailand, because of abuses related to the crime of “lèse-majesté”
the Emirates, because they have bolstered their filtering system
Belarus because its president has just signed a liberticidal order that will regulate the Net

Fuck yes I'm proud to live in Australia.
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Australia has been placed on a list of countries who are enemies of the internet by an organization I have the utmost respect for:  Reporters without Borders.


that's not exactly true.  they arent on the Internet Enemies list but they are on the Countries under surveillance list.
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Well yes, I did kind of mention that:
The RSF has a slightly less damning list for countries they've placed 'under surveillance', and here's where Australia finds itself in fine company indeed:

It does seem to be a subset of the enemies list, doesn't it?
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Subject: denial rly?
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Well yes, I did kind of mention that:
The RSF has a slightly less damning list for countries they've placed 'under surveillance', and here's where Australia finds itself in fine company indeed:

It does seem to be a subset of the enemies list, doesn't it?

of course because that's how i would make a subgroup, make it inline.  stop being retarded.

[Image: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=4819]


i know you want to demonize them as much as possible but looking at the menu, that's just absurd.  if it were any other site would you think, "gee, that must be a sub group of the first group!" no, of course not!

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Don't assume the one fact you have is the only one available, Gravis.  =P

The page is devoted solely to discussing the internet's enemies.  The name of the page is ennemis.html (French for enemies).  The section of the page is called "The Enemies of the Internet 2010" and Australia's the first country listed under 'under surveillance', paragraph three of this section.

That you found a place that doesn't make its subset status so clear does not mean it invalidates my stance kthx.  To be clear, I DID say that Australia was on a 'less damning list', but in case anyone else misses that point, let me quote the EFA:

Quote by EFA:
Australia has not been placed on the “Internet enemies” list with Iran or China, but has been flagged as a country of concern.

They go on to say:

Quote by EFA:
That concern is simply this: That a tolerant and liberal democracy such as Australia is taking the first steps down a path of secretive and automated censorship of the Internet.

Emphasis mine. 

The problem we have here is simple: censorship doesn't work.  It's the same as DRM controls on your software that only harm legitimate users.  Censorship only prevents casual exposure to these dangerous ideas.  People who want it, who are determined to seek it out, will find it, and no firewall or censorship in the world can stop them.

The larger problem becomes clear when you look forward.  This block list will be maintained in secret and only the government can know what's on it.  Where's the oversight?  Where's the public's ability for recourse, if sites are accidentally or maliciously included?

And lest you think this is a hypothetical problem, do remember that it's already happened here in Australia.  The government's block list includes things that are not illegal.  If the list is secret, and no one leaks it to us like they did last time, how will we know?

Creating a tool like this, that operates in secret and has no oversight, invites abuse.

And that's why we should fight it.  When we've won, we can come back and quibble over the details. 

Now, I've got to go drown a kitty and throw Gravis in a lake.
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Don't assume the one fact you have is the only one available, Gravis.  =P

The page is devoted solely to discussing the internet's enemies.  The name of the page is ennemis.html (French for enemies).  The section of the page is called "The Enemies of the Internet 2010" and Australia's the first country listed under 'under surveillance', paragraph three of this section.

That you found a place that doesn't make its subset status so clear does not mean it invalidates my stance kthx.

check out the PDF file (yes it is called Internet_enemies.pdf): http://www.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/Internet_enemies.pdf

it sorts countries into two different groups.

see the difference?
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I'm sorry Gravis, but in your pdf labeled Internet_enemies the 'under surveillance' countries are in the 'ENEMIES OF THE INTERNET 2010' section. And in the under surveillance section, Australia is the first mentioned.

Don't get me wrong, I love Australia. But we've been named as some of 2010's internet enemies. There is no way we are going to avoid that.
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Subject: More Australian bullshit.
You might remember Australians trying to pretend they can make people be nice.  Well, they're still trying.  In what seems like the most farcical waste of time and money in recent memory, the Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission is taking Joseph Evers, an American citizen, to court over a website hosted in America, and which is perfectly legal in America.  Thanks to Techdirt for the news...

Over on his blog, Mr. Evers said:

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So here’s the deal. This is an initial investigation into charging me, personally, with the violation of Australia’s Racial Discrimination Act. While I act in complete compliance with both the civil and criminal codes of the United States of America, and am assured the right of free speech according to our Constitution (which, if not the greatest political document in the entire history of law, is certainly on the top five) I can personally be jailed and fined for the violation of this law. [...] This isn’t a far-fetched legal theory, they have used it before. Welcome to the one world government, folks. Is this what you wanted? Is this what you had in mind? Cause this is what you’re gettin’.

A recent NineMSN article (again, normally a house of muckraking shitbags) quoted an EncyclopediaDramatica moderator:

Quote by Anonadmin:
When asked whether the article "Aboriginal" was written by racist bullies, the moderator — who did not want to be named — said that he believed the article to be a comedy piece.

"Bullying is when someone gets beaten. Satire is when an article gets written on an Internet comedy website," he said.

No shit.  Hey Australia, stop prosecuting imaginary thoughtcrimes.  Your collective guilt over aboriginal abuses will not be assuaged with this sort of bullshit. 

Quote by NineMSN:
Encyclopedia Dramatica is believed to be one of the websites that will be banned in Australia under upcoming internet filtering legislation.

That's right kids, all in the name of protecting the children.

Here's the official NFG stance on things:
  • Censorship doesn't work.
  • You can't force people to be nice.
  • Secret blocklists will be abused.
  • You all should put ME in charge.
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I'm sorry Gravis, but in your pdf labeled Internet_enemies the 'under surveillance' countries are in the 'ENEMIES OF THE INTERNET 2010' section. And in the under surveillance section, Australia is the first mentioned.

did you even look at the pdf of image i posted? o_O?!


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You might remember Australians trying to pretend they can make people be nice.  Well, they're still trying.  In what seems like the most farcical waste of time and money in recent memory, the Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission is taking Joseph Evers, an American citizen, to court over a website hosted in America, and which is perfectly legal in America.  Thanks to Techdirt for the news...

what i want to know is why they didnt charge him over the pages against whitey.  hint: they are sooo full of shit.

sorry but AU just went on my list of places to sink into the ocean list.
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You cross right over the road and become what you opposed. 

The Australian Aboriginal representatives don't need to be nice.  Suck it up.  Why does this net tough guy need to have shelter from the people who he abuses. 

It's a fair game here, keep round 2 coming.
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Quote by SmallMan on 2010-03-17, 18:36:
You cross right over the road and become what you opposed. 

censorship?

Quote by SmallMan on 2010-03-17, 18:36:
The Australian Aboriginal representatives don't need to be nice.  Suck it up.  Why does this net tough guy need to have shelter from the people who he abuses.

they are going after the guy who runs the site, not the people who composed the article.  not only that, they are going after him for breaking a law in a country which he wasnt even nor did he break any import/export laws.  they are acting more like the leaders of Scientology more than anyone else.  say a bad word and you will be prosecuted.

how many jokes have been made at the expense of white people?  if you hadnt noticed, nobody is attacking those who do so.  it's a double standard: minorities handled with kid gloves and majority are disregarded.  have you looked at the article for "white people" on encyclopediadramatica.com?  it's terrible and insulting and you know what, it's also a joke.  where is AU to save me from this injustice?.  if you cant take a joke or even an insult, go live alone on a farm with no communication to the outside world so your feelings wont ever be hurt by another person again.
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if you scream loudly enough, they do hear you... eventually.

Quote by BBC:
Internet filter rules under review in Australia

The Australian government is conducting an independent review of websites due to be blocked by its controversial internet filter.

The country's Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, said the review was needed to see if the scheme "reflects current community standards".

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