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Subject: Burning bridges, American style!
Over on a photography forum I used to really enjoy, I found a thread filled with right-wing retards going off about how Obama's plans are all rubbish and how they don't want a global leader, they want one who can take care of the good ol' US of A.

Naturally I couldn't abide this sort of thing, and I let fly with a bannable-offense post:

Geez, and here I thought this forum was full of liberal thinkers.

The entire rest of the free world sees Obama as your only hope. Your economy is already in the shitter and it's sure as hell not getting any better with republicans in office. I don't know much about politics, I'll admit that, but I tell you: I won't be learning anything from you right-wing nutjobs who can't even SPELL.

Get an education before you pretend your opinion means anything. And if I may be so bold, I'll head off the next complaint: "It's just a forum, man, spelling's not important." America's nosediving hardcore precisely because you stopped giving a shit. The road to freedom and prosperity is not easy, and you do us all a disservice when you take your society down, pretending all the while it's everyone else's fault.

Own up, kids: you're part of the problem.

One guy, who pissed me off the most, had said this:

Quote by retard:
one is the speech Obama gave over there... What's this "Citizen of the World" bullshit?

I want an American President that is the President of the United STates and that doesn't give a rats fart what Europe thinks? Didn't we have to go in and save Europe once already? IT's coming again. They appeased Germany until they realized they were screwed. It's coming again in the future but this time it will be radical Islam and I don't know that we'll be able to stop it by the time the idiots stop hitting the "snooze" button.

Wait, what?  Myopic xenophobia FTL, asshole.

Update: I deleted it.  Meh to them.
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This post was edited on 2008-08-01, 22:37 by NFG.
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I don't have anything to say in defense of my countrymen in that regard. But if I may offer a silver lining to this cloud? These isolationist Americans are quite easy to separate from their money. If you operate some sort of retail or charitable operation that appeals to their interests, they're first in line to help you achieve whatever political goal it is you claim to be supporting. I believe that the American economy is successful, in part, because this type of person does not have long-term savings or an understanding of how interest rates work. They're the reason my retirement fund earns so much money.
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I posted anew, in that same thread.  Here's what I said this time, which I think is a little less caustic:


Quote by "Lyle A":
I'm glad you backed out of what you deleted. I have it in an email notification. You obviously don't know anything about true conservative Americans.
What you saw in the email was a rough draft.  I added a LOT more before most people got a chance to read it, including some really pointed barbs directed at one person specifically.

It is apparently genetic, this split along republican/democratic lines: you can no more change your opinion than I could break my brain enough to accept your points.

Quote by "Lyle A":
America needs a revamp of it's political system. We have strayed too far from our founding fathers ideals.
What you had didn't last, what you've got doesn't work, and instead of fighting for a specific solution, all I hear (from basically everyone) is "This sucks." 

EDIT: You're right.  You have strayed from your founding fathers' ideals.  What happened to freedom of the press?  Freedom of religion?  Freedom from unreasonable searches and imprisonment? 

I'll tell you what happened: They lied to you, scared the shit out of you, and you bought it: hook, line and sinker.

Where's your outrage that Exxon made 11 BILLION dollars profit in the last quarter?  Where's your outrage at having been lied to about the anthrax?  About the whole war?  About the loss of habeus corpus?  About the torture?  About the laptop seizures?  About the CCTVs?  The warrantless wiretaps?

You're being boiled slowly and you're worried about socialism?  You've got WAY bigger problems already.  Stop focusing on the irrelevent stuff.  Fight for your freedoms, dammit, and fight for everyone else's freedoms too!

Quote by "Rodeoshooter":
I am truly amazed at how much Barack Hussein Obama's speech and the response of the German people reminded of the news reels of Hitler speaking at rallies in the 1930's.
Yeah, except you've got people excited and cheering his message of change and peace and unity, not cheering about a madman's pursuit of a master race and violence.  It's a very, very specious comparison you're making here.

Americans have got the single fastest declining economy the world has ever seen.  Everything you're doing is WRONG.  For better or worse, anyone who wants to change the picture can't really make it hurt more.
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In the spirit of seeing all sides of an argument, allow me to play devil's advocate a moment. Confucius was once asked if he would make all men rich or wise. He opted for rich, and explained that you can't make hungry people care about philosophy. By the same token, if you ask if Americans should be proud or respected first, most will opt for proud. Like the middle manager who used to be a playground bully, he has to feel like he's the best of breed before he can be made to consider how he fits into an organization.

These people you're arguing with are scared silly of losing their national pride. They haven't been through a bloody revolution like the French or Chinese. They haven't had an empire snatched away from them like the British or Italians. By and large, America has not had a humbling event that gives it the kind of character and patience that typifies how European and Asian powers conduct themselves. We may witness this event in our lifetimes.
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Quote by Kendrick:
They haven't been through a bloody revolution like the French or Chinese. They haven't had an empire snatched away from them like the British or Italians. By and large, America has not had a humbling event that gives it the kind of character and patience that typifies how European and Asian powers conduct themselves. We may witness this event in our lifetimes.
This is a fascinating thought.  There's certainly a germ of truth to it, and I'm having a great time turning it over in my mind and pondering its significance and relevence.

Thanks very much for posting it!
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I'm really surprised by the number of irrational, frightened right-wing nutjobs there are on that site.  Intolerance ahoy!

One nutjob spouted the usual frightened right-wing nonsense, including this:

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In the mean time I am keeping an I out of the idiots who think differently than I do. I am finding them everywhere and just don't know what to do to get them out of MY COUNTRY!

I replied "LOL, funniest post EVER. Be careful, though, some people might actually believe you mean what you say."

He went on a rampage again:

Quote by nutjob:
What makes you think I don't mean it.

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We don't want to have to press 1 to speak in English. We are tired of being told we are racist and then watch black people use the "N" (see we can't even type it out if we are white) word in every sentence.

And my reply:

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Because your entire post was built out of ignorance and fear, it's so irrational it's funny.

Here's how I see it: I'm a big white male, hetero, wealthy enough thanks, and happy. My friends include gays, bis, tradesmen, programmers, blacks, whites, yellows and - well - basically all the kinds of people you're scared to death of. We have fun, we play games, we go camping, we climb mountains, we enjoy the shit out of life, and what we do in our bedrooms is none of your fucking business, thanks.

I'll take a world filled with people living with tolerance and acceptance long before I'd take yours. If you guys continue to make America the home of the scared, the paranoid and the intolerant you won't have to worry about your borders: no one will want what you've got.

Oh, and just because I can, nigger nigger nigger. My wife's a jap, and i've got kike, faggot and dyke friends. I'm not scared of them, I'm scared of YOU.
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I followed that up with this:

Quote by NFG:
Actually, I should probably clarify my stance on some things...  Please forgive my previous post: what I said was true, but I think we may have more common ground than I first thought.

Quote by Rodeoshooter:
We want everyone to be legal immigrants. We just want everyone to get treated the same. We just want to live our lives without being told we have no rights but every freak and minority have all the rights.
That's what I want too!

The problem is that I want laws that enforce my freedom, and your approach seems to be laws that limit other people.  Only searching male muslims?  That's an irrational inconvenience to a lot of people, and won't solve the problem.  You're probably tired of hearing about Columbine and Timothy McVeigh, but that's my point - freaky explosive people come in a lot of colours and from a lot of backgrounds.  Hell, a fellow countryman of mine just hacked off the head of a passenger on a Greyhound bus! 

I want freedom from oppression, I want to know that when I go to trial I will not be judged by someone who thinks less of me 'cause I don't believe in his god.  I want EVERYONE to be afforded the same trust and freedom that I want for myself.

I don't care about skin colour, religion or any of that old-world horseshit. 

I believe in the golden rule, and until I die I will continue treating people the same way I would prefer to be treated.
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